Speaker 3: We being our organization as Asia-American initiative.  We have a 1000 volunteers called catalyst for peace.  We integrate with probably 100 to 150 local community organizations made up of different tribes, different universities and non-governmental organizations that are swimming in a vast ocean where there are resources available due to great amount of [???] and those resources are selfishly kind of forwarded by those people that are holding on to power for their own [???] lands.  So every time you get close to the edge of a breakthrough in a peace process it falls apart because somebody or another that has the resources needed for instance if we are facing like the one comment you also made about the harmony with nature, water and food shortages are going to be increasingly serious and severe, it is a common bond and it is an common unity for people of all religions, all cultures because we all face, especially in areas that are being hard hit now by the issues of climate change and floods, drought, which is happening in many parts of the world, that is a common bond that should unite people.  So we have to look at how do you [???] if you want to get seeds whether it is for corn, wheat or rice so that Christian farmers, Muslim farmers, Hindu farmers, Buddhist farmers, there is a unity of purpose, you can’t get the seeds, you can’t get the fertilizer and when you try to approach it to the politicians that control that it is like where is my 10% or if you just sign this paper, you will get your 10% and let us pretend that everything is okay and this is what I think all of us [???] it is the issue of you have got the handful of people that believe in spiritual transformation and social and psychological transformation, which is possible versus power brokers that will continue to stand in the way of people coming together for a common universal benefit.  And I wish that somehow what you are talking about the [???] that the people that are involved in these areas of negotiations [???] international organization basis or in terms of the government leaders or in the case we are [???] up against is, USAID getting the resources to the US military and the US military [???] relevance.  I will say this [???] this is my country and I see this over and over and over again or [???] Germany conference on Afghanistan where it was friends of UN politicians that were getting billions of dollars of contracts into a central government that didn’t exist or as the people in the field in the local level in the districts and the provinces and the villages got nothing.  We will see what happens after 10 years, it is more conflict, more suffering and there is no unity of purpose.

Speaker 2: You are right completely on the issue of interest and corruption and [???] it penetrates everything even peace building initiatives we understand it, but what I believe the key answer for it and which is discussed before this talk, I believe the key issue is education here.  And it is first of all education of your people who will [???] new leaders, but it is also I believe it is education of people who are in power.  It is not, you are not putting them in classrooms, but you can educate them for personal contract.  You can educate them through mass media.  You can educate them, with really speaking [???] more profound idea of peace journalism, where we try to educate political leaders about benefits and you know conflict probable will never just use major theories of [???] that conflict will never be resolved and there is economic sensitive projects.  So we have to work together to reduce this economic [???] and what I believe that Gulen movement is trying to do now, I believe it was not so prominent in the beginning, but now more to educate policy makers, to educate people who make decisions because there is prejudice.  There is still prejudice, even the [???] was prejudiced against military people and so everyone are prejudice.  You have some own ideas what other people are doing and by just understanding what are the sides [???] it should be also negotiation between peace builders I strongly believe in it.  Want more dialogues among peace builders than dialogue and such people who are more prone to dialogue have to initiate such dialogues. If they don’t want to go with us, we have to go, we have to put our efforts in two sides and working with communities and working with leaders who made decision and trying to promote these ideas.  I know it sounds maybe a little bit idealistic, optimistic, but this is probably one of the – the only way how to deal with it, because if they still been [???] and sensitive for this conflicts, they will continue to do it.

Speaker 1:  If I may add to that myself because I know of the Philippines experience, I prefer you to Thomas [???] writings in regards to the Gulen movement’s activities in the Philippines, but it should also be noted regarding Gulen’s ideas of course it is about long term generational change so the [???] education is prominent one academic stated that there are close to I believe 1000 Gulen inspired schools in more than 110 countries so this is about a long term generational change including schools in Southern Philippines with Christian Muslim students so I think that is important, but at the [???] education level as Karina referred to then there are institutions like the Rumi Forum, like dialogue centers around the world, like meeting institutions etc. or that have an underlying themes of dialogue and bring people together etc., whether they are existent [???] I am not too sure, but I definitely [???] Philippines and again I would refer you to Thomas [???] work because he was in Philippines for a long period of time.   Do we have any other questions?  Yes.

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