That’s a bit of a simplification but I think the fascinating issue is that in Europe even toady there was a three month long discussion as to whether Christianity should be mentioned as founding pillar of European traditions in the preamble of the European constitution. Thus de-facto excluding large, large swaps of the population. And the interesting thing is that even today some would argue that Europe has to define itself negatively as not being Muslim. This the underlying argument why Turkey can never become a member of the European Union as is the conservative and not only a conservative but a wide spread political opposition in Europe because there are incompatibilities. Which means a European soil is still no free. It is not set free in the sense that it an be hospitable to people independent of creed [IB] and national tradition. And I think this is fascinating because if you look at the Turkish tradition where it happened in 1924 in a very radical way with the abolition of the language if the scripture, the introduction of the Gregorian calendar, so like scripture, the religious scripture and even the time a to be changed to initiate that new era, was a radical version of an implementation of secular traditions which had not develops as it did in the United States in consensus way and in way where communities establish a secular nation under the hospices of freedom of religion but in Turkey it is a very similar and often parallel debate that is happening within Turkey as is in many European countries. And it’s interesting that this is basically the under current of many of the discussion which are slightly simplifying the Christian west verses Muslim Turkey, if you look at the inner social dynamics, things that are much more complicated. And so my argument here just that which I wanted to throw out there and see of you agree or if you think that I’m totally off the mark is there is that, these diversity debates and the question about who is a minority and who belongs where? They are just so crucial for establishing societies in a post corporal world, where the binary world view of West versus East and communism versus liberalism is gone. And these will become important questions and important conversations in the future. And I think these debates need to be deciphered and maybe we are going to talk about Arizona because that is actually at the core of the argument I would say that I am making here. I think these debates need to be deciphered because they have a universal dimension, they happen in many societies, the happen in Southeast Asian societies. They happen in Turkey, they happen in Germany, they happen here in the United States. But again the US is an interesting test case and I just wanted to share that idea with you and thank you for your attention.
Octavio: Thank you Dr. Werz.
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Octavio: Yes, and again we appreciate your comments and I think this is going to start a very good productive conversation. Two things come to mind; and back in the 80s growing up in Kansas in the middle of the United States and having been, had my former years under the Ronald Regan administration, I vividly recall President Regan at one point making during a state of the Union address commenting that people from around the world can come to the United States and become an American. But for someone to go to Germany it’s going to be difficult to become a German or even go to Turkey become a Turk, you know? So that is something that is repeatedly mentioned here in the United States as to, I guess the capacity of the United States to absorb people from different backgrounds, different parts of the world to become an American. And I think the one holiday that unites everyone regardless if you’re the descendant of the Pilgrims or whether you are the descendant of the Native Americans, or African slaves is thanksgiving.
Dr. Werz: Except for vegetarians.
Octavio: Except for the vegetarians. Well, Nick I’m sure you have your vegetarian dishes. But that one holiday in the United States does bring people from diverse backgrounds in the celebration of thanksgiving and celebration of, I mean even though it may be founded in terms of a religious type of event. But perhaps you may want to comment a little bit about that, but what’s also interesting that’s taking place at the Supreme Court level is an interesting observation in the following. Well, you know of course the United States was founded by Protestants, but for the first time in his history, with the nomination of President Obama, for I mean the Supreme Court, you will have no single protestant on the Supreme Court. You will have six Catholics or seven Catholics and three Jewish if I’m not mistaken but no protestants because Justice Stevens is a soul protestant who is now on the Supreme Court but of course is retiring. And that makes for an interesting I guess observational conversation, I don’t know if you may want to comment a little about that or any of the other.