I think the fascinating issue is that to be, put yourself into a position and maybe to, you’ll use a more intellectual punching partner, like some are hunting today, and talking about a clash of cultures because there are so many Latinos, they speak in different country, different language and they establish something like a parallel society. I think his essay and I had recently reread it tells you so much more about the fact how far [a move] New England is from the dynamic and the future of the United States than about the thing he is, that he thinks he is addressing because New England of course was the core of American power. The [Hovard Fog], the bottom cord that allows Washington what established political structures in this country for fair amount of time probably a century and a half and that is changing and so if you look for example at the center stage of the last 20 years, the center of population in the United States moves from North East to South West by five miles a year. It’s like 40 or 50 feet a day so physically the United States is moving away from Europe, moving towards the pacific South West and it is also internally changing and I think to understand that dynamic and try to interpret that dynamic in cultural terms by saying this is a different culture and these people are somehow at the parallel track of what it means to be American is just as [extortion] of reality because there is no parallel track. America is always that moment of including people in ever larger groups and that is the fascinating tradition in this country that actually ratio groups are established in Europe to exclude the minorities whereas in the United States ratio groups become larger and larger. The white group now even including Jews right and the white policies and white Jews in the same ethnographic group if you will. It’s if you know a little bit about this, [IB] that is quite an achievement. The black group is internally diversifying at a rapid space because of Caribbean and West African immigration. So you basically have large groups which become ever more universal and I think this is the dynamic that is happening in United States it will also be true for the Latino immigrants. Many of them have been here longer than the Southwest was established as a drowning joke that we crossed the border but the border crossed us. The people in Southern Texas has a lot of truth to it, so I think lets talk about the political issue that has taken, not  try to grab people that are illegally in the country and figure out whether, what shade of brown you need to be, to be checked out by the police that’s not really getting anywhere.

Octavio:     [IB] do you have a question.

Person:    Hi. Thank you very much for coming, its really a delight. I’m actually a really worried that you are [conflating] religious issues with racial issues because we obvious in the inner classes when friends has something to do with the abuse of the church and obviously no need to [IB] and so what you’ve got going on now in the Southwest was a reaction, it was  a response to some abusive breeches of the rules why this has been a community that prompted a community over reaction. But I mean lots of [IB] was prompted by the murder of that [brochure] and so when you conflict the religious freedom aspects with the ratio aspects, I think that you miss a major point and as with the country has a right to do and I’m a big fan of Captain John Pedeston [IB] what you’ve really got to appreciate is what the upwards is really about is the lack of respect for rules which seems to be [eluded] in the fact that there is no respect for entering the country legally at its based for first starters. And so if you’ve got a body o f people wherever they come from, wherever their skin types who cares.

If they come without the respect of the rule of law they are undermining the integrity of the country to be able to exist because that breeds to a lot of other things, the criminality element then is off the hook. I mean the real junction is that the criminal element that comes from starving country and its not like they are round like whatever, that they are coming, that poor broke from the starving country and they are lending, that their ethics lend itself to criminality in larger numbers than has been experienced by other countries so my question is really aren’t you really to look at, there is actually nothing but raising the first [managerial] constitution from a constitutional perspective should you look at religious freedom issues completely separately from the popular rand against this discrimination against Mexicans for example and the race issue.