Dr. Werz:    It’s a very good question. I think you have to look at the picture comprehensively and my argument here lies that the tradition of religious [pluralism] and religious diversity space killer in the ground work in the United States for dealing with difference and for being capable of negotiating a secular politic system with ethnic backslash ratio backslash share religious and they are not identical but I think they are distinguished in fact there is that to a certain degree compete with the secular universalist set up of the political sphere that provided a ground work to negotiate these issues. And I think that is at the core of what makes the United States unique in terms of being a country of so many different traditions and still being able to produce cohesion and without at least in recent decades necessarily producing that cohesion negatively in the sense that you’d define the United States of what it is not as often happens in Europe is not Muslim, it is not non white it is not non Christian. So that negative self perception that negative definition in the United States has been replaced through that very unique set of political standards that was established in 1776 and beyond that allows for greater universality. That is to a certain degree remove from the second point that you made with regard to Arizona. I think rule of law is a great achievement and I think it’s fair to make that point and it is important to make that point. Whether over staying in this [IB] is undermining the entire legal system in the United States I have my doubts.

The question is if you establish rules and a legal environment in the country that is contradicting the dire economic need and [jaxed ] opposed to an economic dynamism of labor aim an export that work fairly well as long as it was entirely unregulated  fairly well in the sense of the [IB] back and forth from Mexico and to the United States not withstanding the fact that a lot of people that are here and were here and undocumented get abused and are in a very difficult situation because they cannot really insist upon their rights. But the point is that once you start building a fence basically closing in labor force that has been needed and still is needed in this country at the time establish a legal fresh hold of as a matter of fact since we don’t have a immigration reform law not establishing a legal environment within which you can manage these issues I think you’re just asking for trouble then to take these out on people that are providing services and helping to fill jobs that otherwise would have been open in this country that I think doesn’t make sense politically. I think there’s a fail on the federal level that the federal government did not act earlier and it was astonishing to see that even though on the Bush right house was still vested into migration reform that that attempt for years ago was black by a handful of their own people in the house. But I think to solely focus on the issue like from the back end is just not helping you politically in any a meaningful way to really address what is at stake because what is at stake is the, is at the core of what the United States stands for and in Arizona these things are being negotiated and I think they will also impact the political and [IB] debates that we are going to have in the next 10 or 20 years and for that reason it’s a fairly important conflict that we are dissing right now.

Person:    Thank you Dr. Werz for that insightful analysis throughout my name is Tarik Shafir I’m from Arlington Virginia just a quick background because you invited us to either use or abuse our own background, when we were very little our siblings five of us, our parents decided to immigrate from Pakistan we went directly to London where we spend 25 years and then I had the opportunity to get a green card through my older sister and by 10 minutes before midnight that would have been the last time that I would be allowed to come into the United States the immigration office through the customs office had said you just made it son well done and that brought so much empathy and to me and we grew up in London but I thought this was a different experience all together just those words of welcome we haven’t looked back since so I think there is something about this country that attracts you that you want to vest in and I have heard many times and I think you are eluted to this also that America is not a country it’s really a working progress, it is unique, period. The constitution just, you had mentioned the constitution several times, does not even have a paragraph or clause in order to resend your citizenship it doesn’t, it’s silent on it. So when somebody like [Fasal Shazard] which comes from my home country does nasty things and is a terrorist, I’m wondering what I know you are not a psychologist but I wonder he has lived the American dream, has taken advantage of the American system, has made it came from moderately good background but what runs in the head, what is the American foreign policy that makes for this lonesome terrorist these days?