Dr. Werz:    Thank you, this is a very difficult question obviously and I’m only speaking from my analytical evidence and for what I try to understand but you are absolutely right in your description. By and large people that that join terrorist organizations and that’s even true for the 90’s and 70’s when there was a different political set up especially in Europe. By and large come from middle class backgrounds. It’s not the wretched of the earth that have no other option but these people as you rightly point out which live a middle class life and radicalize within their given society. Let me give you one example I think it was interesting to look at the 9/11 perpetrators, Muhammad Atta is very much the same story that you described. Muhammad Atta comes from a middle class family in Cairo, his father is a lawyer, they have a vacation home in Alexandria, he is secular, gets a very prestigious fellowship from a federal German organization to come and study to Germany. He was basically a poster child for German-Egyptian academic exchange into achievement and he radicalizes in Hamburg, no he doesn’t radicalize in [IB], he doesn’t radicalize in Alexandria or in Cairo but he radicalizes in Hamburg so it must have to do something with the environment within which he found himself in Germany that has helped or nurtured that radicalization. I’m very doubtful that the form policy environment is as indicative, it seems that in many of these arguments this is just a canvas upon which aggression is being projected but the reason for somebody as Mr. [Shazard] to perpetrate such a highness act against his own country men is just not sufficiently explicable through international or foreign policy issues.

So the question is why do our societies, and our societies I mean modern Western societies produce people that result to a [IB] violence or fantasies of such violence as a result of making their political voices had and I think that’s a question that we have to also look at in historical context because it seems to me that a lot what is being termed as Islamists or Islamic Radicalism or terrorism right now is not it it’s structure and it’s dynamic not so different from many of the Western revolutionary  identifications of radical and militant groups in the 1970’s and then the 1960’s. They are not identical, it’s a different set of issue but I would just say again as the same as if we talk about minorities usually notions that think that religion and culture explain things are analytically not accurate, the question is within which environment do these people find themselves and why do they radicalize in Great Britain or in Madrid or in Hamburg? And I think, I don’t know the answer to the answer to that but I think the question has to be the right question, I think there is no long distance identification with a home country that people more often not have, have left behind a long time ago even if you travel once in a while to Pakistan, you live in New Jersey or you live in upstate New York and that’s a different context within which you find yourself.

So I would just say independently of the policy and the security debates that you need to have, the question really is what are the similarities in radicalization between people that are of immigrant background or people that are of different religious backgrounds and people that would be seen as just regular people that go crazy and kill their co-workers in the bank, lie to [IB] or describe one event as terrorist without even accurately knowing what triggered this and why do we describe another event as just crazy, violence in the [co-align] High School, the Columbian High School. So I think it is very important to emphasize that you need to analytically think about these issues and not in cultural or religious terms because they at least as far as I can tell more often obscure the explanations are possible interpretations of what has happened then they really shed light on what is happening in these people’s mind.

Person:    Thank you for your [IB], just had a query question in regards the themes within Europe in regards to acceptance and understanding obviously are there things between European countries, main differences between North and South Central Scandinavian Mediterranean maybe that you may want to elude to who is closer to America, who is further apart so just in regards to differences within you?