A couple of other points- an obvious point, the Iraqis have no real experience with democracy.  They have no experience with the give and take with the necessaries compromises and the tolerance that you need in the democracy.  You could saw this recently with municipal elections up in Mosul.  Mosul like Bagdad is divided by a river and it’s now divided between people in a way that Kurdish influence is very strong west of the river.  Arabs and the west of the river then fades off into the desert, so it’s heavily Arab.  When the previous national elections with the boycott of the Sunnis, the Kurds took over control of the government and dominated it and the municipal election recently the Arabs- the Sunni Arabs voted and they won a reasonably narrow majority and they immediately expel the Kurds from all the offices, all function of government, so you went from one extreme to the other and the possibility for some kind of living together and compromise for his lost.  Finally talked about the tribalism and so forth, Iraqis have long had and I’m sorry to say a well- probably well-documented reputation in the Arab world for being violent.

A little bit like Columbians in northern Latin America, and their has been a lot of violence in their history, but the Iraqis are also a very tough and resilient people and the violence maybe the downside but this toughness and you’ve seen in many examples of Iraqis now in the effort to come back as a country who have stood up in the face of great danger and really fought to get the country back on its feet to their credit, so this is two sides of a personality, if you will.  Now, to turn to the war itself- I mean I don’t think there is much point talking about all the bad decisions made to go to war I’ve got- often said they were full willful blunders that we made, false reasons for the war, presenting it there is a war of necessity, cooking the intelligence, wrongly sizing the force and finally no planning- willfully no planning for the postwar situation.  We then made things worse by dismissing the senior buffies and by eliminating the army.  There was a dispute over, you know, Jerry Barmash said the army have disintegrated anyway, but I think the real issue was that the way it was done dishonored the entire army and created a desire- almost a desire for revenge and you gave- trained people with access to weapons, reason to come after you.  So whether the army was effective or not, it wasn’t but there was a possibility and there was an effort to start a cavalry again.