Juliette Tolay:    Yeah [it depend], I mean this is what I was saying kind of the… Kind of came together will all this kind of internal, social change that happened. The indeed the kind of the [IB] the growth of the population the internal migration which has been quite radical in many ways or basically immigration from small cities, to villages to cities and from small cities to bigger cities. And usually in the movements to went to the west of the countries has really kind of transformed the society in terms of like political powers and how it has been changed in terms of the electorates now in big cities like Istanbul are not same type of people that we used to have in terms of the kind of economic [IB] that has been changing as part of this kind of [IB] and tigers and how, now there is this kind of counter  [elite] that is now the traditional kind of white [IB] analyst, it is now we are having different type of illiteracy, we’ve been more conservative but also very active in the economic realm and this had a lot of impact internally on kind of the scripture of the political system, and especially this is one of the reason also I think it was so successful and is still successful in the last, in the last eight years and so it has had kind of a trickle down effect also on foreign policy because this side is kind of, given more voice in a way to more conservative people in Turkey in the North.

Joshua Walker:    Just one thing I’d add to that, when I look at the demographic changes on a broader regional scale and you look at kind of the unemployment rates in the region and you, either the constant kind of youth [bold] you see in the Middle East versus the old, kind of, the graying of Europe there is clearly if Europe is going to continue to have the level and quality of life that it wants it’s going to have to get immigration for somewhere and when I look at kind of Turkey and I look at the education there and I look at the entrepreneurship that’s demonstrated. I mean the Turkish business folks that we are talking about the people who to go to school and the levels of students that are going to college and university in Turkey and the high level of education in terms of the top universities in Turkey are all in English.

I mean they are very well suited for the European market and not to mention the American market. So if I’m looking at where I want to get a kind of have a good investment opportunity and be able to bring in a crop very high energy, highly educated good people, Turkey is the fit there and I think that Turkey knows that, and I think one of the reasons that you see such a self confidence within the prime minister and his party is because they were the ones that kind of rule this way even the same way that Obama was able to change the political calculation in this country by bringing in the new generation in some ways.

You see that same type of feeling among the AKP and the way in which they do it, I’d also add that the way they do politics looks very much like the way we do it here in this country because many of their top pollsters and politicians come from education in this country and so the way they do politics in sense of creating a grass root movement, I really wouldn’t look at the AKP like any other party in Turkey. The constituency basis is based very much on its grass roots movement and it looks that kind of the demographic changes and actually studies that to understand how to get votes from the areas that may be on the losing end of urbanization, the losing end on globalization. But that also leads back to the point we’ve reiterated which is there is a real danger of populism in Turkey because of that very factor.