The third question very interesting also, [IB] time and not going to do much beyond what can be done in the simplistic way but your point somehow that, I know you can help me clear, evolutionary teaching versus intelligent design and its historical background or contemporary…

Person: How have contemporary Muslim thinkers responded to this debate starting to the 19th century and is ongoing in our country?

Karim: There is no one response for the time aware, there is a spectrum. Many people of faith in the Islamic domain are inclined to be skeptical about Darwinian evolution that it claims especially idea that somehow the primate species is our direct ancestor. But on the other hand there are some people who would like to somehow incorporate Darwinian evolution into some form of Islamic scientific awareness; you have certain thinkers who talked about the fact that the fossil record and mineral and animal and higher forms of animal life have some connection with the human appearance or some input into the human existence. So historically there has been some openness to that view but more that modern evolution in the sense of Darwinian thought that most western thinkers would expect to understand. I think that its an open question, we don’t have the same debate as much in Muslim circles except by those people who are imbued with western ideas and they will think that somehow Darwinian thought is integral to the scientific and technological view of modernity and if you reject Darwin somehow you reject the assumptions that modernity and everyone else accepts. So therefore we have to somehow accept it in a way that doesn’t seem to contradict your dogma or your creed. So there is some attempts to do that. There is some literature on the subject but on the whole I would say that it hasn’t been very well thought out and there are also very purist and even some formidable and deep attempts to deny the Darwinian thesis is scientific at all and there are Western scientists who are also are open to that idea that this is not something that is proven, but that its, hypothesis that many people could be reexamined. I don’t think I should say more than that about it because its not something that I’m particularly well informed about.

Interviewer: I think its interesting there are scriptures because the Bible has the statement that guide that with the Judeo-Christian belief is that none is created in the image of God and in Judeo-Christian tradition woman is generally seen as being not created in the image of God as one of us made from the rib of man and then women has all sorts of other difficulties in the Judeo-Christian tradition and Islam in the Quran you have God creating mankind but from the sameness so the same, so the same essence and its not God breathes into creation but does not create, its not in the image of God so the whole discussion of anthpomorphism…