Bronwyn: Yeah. Absolutely. In terms of your question, it’s a good question and it was a bad problem. Development and humanitarian relief in the Somali context is really difficult. There is absolutely no question about it and the world food program’s problems really demonstrate that in the UN monitoring groups report which came out recently acclaiming that as much as 50% of food aid is being diverted to crooks and to the Shabaab and to corrupt contractors at the same time there are wide SWATs of Somalia where that kind of thing isn’t a problem or the security situation actually isn’t that bad. Then I would point out that the WFP has been operating in Somalia for years while this conflict has been ongoing without any protection whatsoever from the African union peacekeepers. In fact, the WFP has had to keep as far away from them as they possibly can because cooperation will sort of tag them as with combat and sort of allied entity. So it’s not impossible, and then I think basically that what you have to do is make sure that you get protection from the powers on the ground. Somalia is lawless but it’s not chaotic in many places. And there’s no formal law but there are people in control, sometimes that’s the Shabaab. If you can find in your political strategy someway to interact with the Shabaab, you can get a lot done. If you can find in your political strategy ways to interact with traditional authorities and business leaders and what we frequently called warlords in the Somalia context whether that’s a good term to use or not, then you really have an opportunity to go and then get a lot done. Now, it requires international agencies to be very forgiving and flexible in their expectations and to sort of turn the blind dive very occasionally to diversions of fun, that’s normal in conflict zone. It’s particularly bad in Somalia but it’s not an impossible problem to get over. It just requires a lot of patients and a lot of skill, and frankly some new approaches to development that we really haven’t tried before. But they’re long overdue in any case.

Moderator: Yeah, I had to agree with that but it’s an exceptionally tough operating environment, an exhausting effort to help to negotiate on a local level where each of the groups, on a microscopic level almost and these groups are changing and shifting all the time as well. So it’s a constant contest of a battle and yeah, it’s a tough environment.

Bronwyn: Yeah, it really is.

Audience 3: Can we go after the [IB].
[Interposing]

Moderator: Yes, the ratio. The question of the ratio, so we’re not deliberately ignoring you.

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